On this episode, I spoke with JinJa Birkenbeuel, an award-winning strategist and creative executive recognized as "Most Innovative" by Fast Company Magazine in 2022. We discuss the music she creates with her husband in the band, Utah Carol, and how she was on the cover of Graphic Design USA Magazine which featured both her and me. And she has a way of turning the interview back on me and asking me a lot of questions about myself.