In Episode 12, Oren Segal speaks with Joan Donovan, Research Director of the Harvard Kennedy School Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy. Dr. Donovan leads the field in examining media manipulation, online extremism and disinformation campaigns.

Joan admits to being a bit of an anarchist but describes the ways in which governments are instrumental in service delivery. Oren and Joan discuss the effects of bad regulation on journalists, how to teach people to be critical consumers, and the vital need for community in this field.

As we move away from what Joan describes as “block and tackle of the past four years," the Shorenstein Center is building a tech watchdog hub of advocates, journalist, and researchers. This and more on episode 12 of extremely.

More on Joan’s work here: https://www.hks.harvard.edu/faculty/joan-donovan; https://shorensteincenter.org/

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