Joanne McEachen is the Global New Measures Director for New Pedagogies for Deep Learning and has led the development of a system of tools to measure “deep learning”. In this episode we unpack how we can better measure the components of learning we truly value, rather than the learning that is easiest to measure. Joanne is also the CEO and Founder of The Learner First, her organisation which privileges the lens of the least-served learners to revolutionise the measurement, assessment, teaching and learning across whole system change. She has worked with schools and districts to both design learning that works for each individual learner and to know how it works. Joanne has been a teacher, principal, super-intendant and national change leaders in New Zealand and around the world, and has co-authored five books, including her latest, ‘Measuring Human Return - Understand and Assess What Really Matters for Deep Learning’.