As our society continues to try to weather the fallout from COVID-19, James Keys, Tunde Ogunlana, and Rob Richardson discuss the unprecedented nature of the ongoing job losses and what a recovery for working people would look like (2:02) and why the government stimulus did not seem to serve working people (18:45). The guys also point out that Americans, including the most staunch capitalist, often embrace socialist policies (30:57), how some are really good at taking advantage of this socialist streak (39:05), and how this kind of disconnect plays a role in working people being unable to effectively demand a fair shake in our economy (46:51).