In this episode of Pod, Actually, Jocelyn talks about her favorite podcast: Bitch Sesh, the cult-favorite show devoted to The Real Housewives franchise.

Jocelyn calls it a “guilty pleasure,” but what unfolds is something more interesting: a portrait of why we turn to “ridiculous” television, why warmth matters more than expertise, and how much we need to like the people whose voices keep us company.

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