Howdy! This week Big Star drummer Jody Stephens is here! Big Star are one of the greatest bands "evs" and they have such a mystique around them; it was so cool to talk to Jody from Ardent Studios where Big Star created most of their records, and where he now works!

Also on the show, Professor of Creative Writing, poet, music writer Katie Mullins. We had an awesome conversation about teaching and grading creativity, the difference between lyrics and poetry, the desire to be liked, and er, Billy Joel's "River Of Dreams".

Find Katie on Twitter @katieuwsf

Find Jody on Twitter @jody_bigstar and on Facebook

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