Joe and his wife have taken a different approach to parenting. Instead of providing "Safe Spaces" for their children they have decided to instead test their children with responsibility and adventure. Nothing proves that point more than with their son Sam Adventure Evermore and the string of mountain peaks he has been the youngest to summit, most notable El Capitan in Yosemite Valley. Joe and I discuss how we can all push our children so they can graduate from our homes as adults in ways not as extreme but just as effectively as the Evermores have done.