Eric is joined by old pal Jonders.

The two open up by talking about Jonders relaxing weekend ahead of him as well as how the NFL off season is a total slog of events leading up to the draft.

They visit about Jonders podcast with IO and what makes him a good interviewer plus his scouting report on Eric. Plus slamming Zevia and being alone on Valentines.

Then the two finally jump in to talk about the Joe Flacco trade and how teams are blinded by players that have had past success against them.