In this episode, guest Joe Fury shares insights into Michael Graves architecture and design, discusses the importance of risk-taking in business transformation, and reflects on Graves' legacy and the firm's future. Joe also imparts advice to his younger self, shares humorous Graves stories, and suggests Karen Nichols as a future guest.

(0:00) Introduction to Building Scale and guest Joe Fury

(1:40) Insights into Michael Graves architecture and design

(2:52) Joe's advice to his younger self and funny stories about Michael Graves

(5:33) The importance of taking risks and transforming business

(6:11) Legacy of Michael Graves and the future of the firm

(7:00) Thanking Joe Fury and invitation for future episodes

(8:36) Proposal to invite Karen Nichols to the podcast

(8:51) Closing remarks and involvement with Building Scale