Once upon a time Joe Wagner '04 was working towards a computer science degree at Rowan University. Now, he is a Cloud Architect at Vanguard. A long and winding road that includes his days as a Rowan University student, jiu-jitsu, and working overseas in England is detailed on a new episode of Beyond The Brown & Gold. Also, he offers thoughts on how to navigate cloud-based storage, ChatGPT, and the craze involving artificial intelligence (AI).