In this conversation, Royce and Joe Walsh discuss the current internal and external threats facing America, focusing on the constitutional crisis and the implications of Trump's presidency. They explore the state of political parties, the challenges of creating an effective opposition, and the role of the courts in addressing unlawful actions. The discussion also touches on the need for a moderate leader and the impact of populism in politics. They discuss the challenges of being an independent in a polarized political landscape, the need for relatable political figures, and the potential threats posed by China.

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