In this episode of the Seeing series, curator Carrie Scott sits down in studio with Joel Mesler .

In this deeply personal conversation, Joel opens up about the end of his abandonment issues, why he deliberately chooses discomfort, and what it really means to create permission for others to feel. As an introvert who holds office hours at galleries, he embodies fascinating contradictions—and his radical honesty about parenting, art market strategies, and personal healing makes this one of our most destabilizing interviews yet.

What happens when you sit down with an artist whose work demands genuine vulnerability from everyone in the room? Listen to find out.

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