I met Joe over 20 years ago in London and he remained a true friend and mate over the years, and to hear him talk about challenges he faced and still faces as dad to 7 children by 4 women, it definitely comes with regrets, reflection and ownership of what has happened. We get into a talk about ‘the bubble’ we find ourselves in, it’s a new analogy which I have used which is fun to think about. He goes into his childhood and how his dad was 50 and his mum was 20 when he was born and how he has very vivid memories of how his dad told his mum ‘deal with the kids before I do’ and to him back then he didn’t understand. He does now. Then we get into Elijah, one of the 7 lovely kids Joe is father to is Autistic. Joe tells us of how he was too hard on him, sometimes not giving him enough time to do things. Joe does regret this openly and you will hear his love him and his other kids comes from his heart. We talk about what we want to be as a dad and to be better as a dad. This is a real talk, real expressions of love, fear and importantly we both feel we can be vulnerable and open. Elijah has a YouTube channel- https://youtube.com/@stixter826