There’s an old saying that goes, “lead, follow, or get out of the way.” Whether you believe that one to be from Thomas Paine, General Patton, or some really old Chrysler commercials— it’s still a damned good quote. Trouble is, being a good leader or a good follower just isn’t that simple.

Our guest here on the BrandBuilders Podcast knows that subject well. John Eades is CEO of LearnLoft a full-service organizational health and leadership development company, a LinkedIn “Top Voice,” and speaker.