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1:10 Which race-conscious programs stay and which go?

11:05 Ground News ad

12:42 Glenn: I’m afraid some African Americans might get left behind

19:25 More programs won’t address the problems of “the underclass”

27:49 John: Maybe this is the best it can be

31:22 The great benefits of HBCUs

35:35 ACTA ad

37:48 Ibram X. Kendi decamps for Howard

44:49 Studying the African diaspora

51:35 The passing of Belle da Costa Greene

1:02:29 Is colorism within the black community still an issue?

Recorded February 2, 2025

Links and Readings

Robin DiAngelo’s book, White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk about Racism

Ibram X. Kendi’s book, How to Be an Antiracist

The Woodson Center

James Joyce’s novel, Ulysses

John’s NYT column, “Black and White Weren’t Always as Black-and-White as They Seem”

Hilton Als’s New Yorker piece, “The Hidden Story of J.P. Morgan’s Library”

Stephen and Abigail Thernstrom’s America in Black and White: One Nation Indivisible

Karen and Barbara Fields’s book, Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in American Life

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