This conversation is with John Njuguna Njoroge vicar of ACK St. Michael and All Angel's Ruiru church in Thika Diocese of the Anglican church of Kenya. He talks about building altars metaphorically in the sense of prioritizing personal intimacy with Christ and a rich prayer life as more important than other concerns of church programs and church buildings. He also touches on the intentional approaches his church has made to prioritize prayer and discipleship their lives. Interviewed September 18th, 2025. (37 minutes)