Crypto-skeptic and former SEC enforcement official John Reed Stark appeared on the December 8, 2024 episode of 60 Minutes to make the case against Big Crypto. Then all hell broke loose.

Bruce is joined by John to discuss how John ended up on 60 Minutes in the first place and the craziness that ensued. Bruce takes John through the top five criticisms/ “mean tweets” that the XRP Army directed at John after the program aired, and gets his detailed response to each.

They also discuss some intriguing high-level personnel moves made recently by SEC Chair Gary Gensler, and why John calls these “lame duck” moves the “first reverse Saturday Night Massacre.” Finally, John offers some interesting predictions for what to expect from incoming SEC Chair Paul Atkins on Day One.