Tim and Jay talk Joker, Joaquin Phoenix, evil, and what people want from a villain.

Be aware, there are SPOILERS! If you haven't seen Joker yet, and you want to, don't listen to this until you do.

Opening music: "Let's Start at the Beginning," Lee Rosevere
Closing music: "Découvre moi," Marc Senet & Simon Grivot

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Opening music: "Let's Start at the Beginning," Lee Rosevere
Closing music: "Découvre moi," Marc Senet & Simon Grivot