Jon Ronson on porn

No one knows porn like Jon Ronson does - he's spent years of his life speaking to performers and making podcasts like The Butterfly Effect and The Last Days of August about the industry.

Today, what he learnt researching and investigating the porn business and whether ethical porn is a thing.

Plus, if isolation's starting to grind your gears it could be the "third quarter" phenomenon.

And, how coronavirus is affecting our already slipping numbers of apprentices.