I've known Jon since Bible school back in 2004. He continues to be one of my best friends (even though i've only seen him a handful of times in the last decade). Every conversation with Jon is authentic, open, and real. About a year ago Jon and I tried to start a podcast, we recorded a couple episodes but nothing ever came of it. I am hopeful he and I can resume that in the very near future (stay tuned). Until then please enjoy a conversation about silence.