Robby speaks to Jonathan Abourbih, Engineering Team Lead at the BBC in Voice & AI. They discuss how to conduct blameless post-mortems, what's technical debt vs. bad code, and the challenges of measuring your success as a manager after years of being a developer. Jonathan also shares stories about large Java apps in a pre-Garbage Collection world.

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• The Prime Directive
• BBC Careers
• Google's Project Aristotle
• Growing Object-Oriented Software Guided by Tests by Steve Freeman and Nat Pryce
• The Power In Agile Talk by Sarah Mei
• [Book] The Phoenix Project by Gene Kim

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