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Abraham Lincoln was a loner who changed the course of history.
At a time when we’re more divided than ever, his story feels more relevant than ever.

In this episode, I talk with Jonathan Shapiro,  lawyer, writer and author of How to Be Abe Lincoln, about what it really means to lead with integrity, humor, and heart — even when you feel completely alone.

It’s a conversation about courage, compassion, and the kind of quiet strength the world still needs.

Tune in for an inspiring conversation about what it means to be a little more like Lincoln, right now.