In the last episode Robert O'Toole interviewed Jonathan Vickery of the pioneering Centre for Cultural and Media Policy Studies. Their conversation delved deep into how to create the conditions for a successful, impactful, and continuously renewed University. In this episode, interviewer and interviewee switch roles, with Robert reflecting on 30 years of work developing Arts and Humanities education with impact, the growing emphasis on design and designing with a solid philosophical base, and how that can help us to respond positively to increasingly intense and neo-colonial technological change.