I talk with comedian and writer Josh Gondelman about Edna St. Vincent Millay's poem "God's World." We talk about beauty, growing up Jewish (him, not me, I'm not stealing valor), sound, and sports. Afterward, I go on a long pun run, and we play two games: "Rogan, Josh?" and "I Heard a Fly Ball When I Died."

Also mentioned:

• The Bugle podcast
• The All Fantasy Everything podcast
• Comedian Andy Zaltzman
• Kim Addonizio's "To the Woman Crying Uncontrollably in the Next Stall"
• Hanif Abdurraqib
• Dan Quisenberry (stats; poetry)
• Several poems that show up often on social media that don't need me to link to them