Sociologist Dr. Josh Packard along with pastor/philosopher Jeff Cook join the show to discuss why spiritual people are leaving the church, the Dones, Shadow Missions, the recent Pew Study on people leaving church, and Church Refugees. Luke also defends Josh's brutal attack on preaching.For

more on Josh Packard's ongoing work understanding the current trend in

the religious landscape and finding a way to provide more religious

spaces for people who feel that traditional religion has cast them aside

check out dechurched.net.