The death Tuesday of Pulitzer Prize-winning Chicago journalist Lois Wille—a veteran of the Tribune, the Sun-Times and the Daily News—brings to mind a memorable 1997 interview with her and journalist Linda Lutton.

You can hear them debate urban housing trends that were remaking Chicago then and, more than two decades later, are shaping it still.

Here’s how it sounded—as aired June 22, 1997, on WNUA-FM, Chicago.

More conversations with thought-leaders through the years on this website, in Apple Music, on Spotify, via your favorite podcast player, and at Chicago Public Square.