This episode features Joy Guidry in conversation with James Gordon Williams. Guidry is a bassoonist, versatile improviser, performance artist, and composer of experimental, daring new works that embody a deep love of storytelling. Williams is a pianist, composer, cultural theorist, and Assistant Professor of Music at the University of California – Santa Cruz. The two discuss Guidry’s life, work, influences, and third album release AMEN. Their conversation took place after Guidry’s performance at Indexical on October 17, 2024.