This episode is for anyone who knows something is off when the work gets done but the joy is gone.

In Episode 6, verta and Naa make the case for joy as a real metric, not a soft add-on or a vibes-only bonus. They unpack why joy has been squeezed out of so many workplaces and lives, and what it costs us when productivity is the only acceptable emotion.

From the difference between happiness and joy, to who actually gets permission to be joyful, they explore how creativity, laughter, and delight are not distractions but essential indicators of wellness. At work and beyond. They also talk honestly about burnout, overfunctioning, and what it takes to build lives where joy is part of the infrastructure, not the reward at the end.

Because you can’t track joy in Jira. But you can always feel when it’s gone.

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