This week, Tom meets Martha Johnson of the Early Start Discovery Space, Richard Higgins & Matthew Kelly of children's comedy duo The Listies, and artist Jill Talbot, author of Joy & Mess. The discusses covers the experience of creativity and making work for and with children. Let chaos reign. ||

Follow Jill Talbot on Instagram (@jilltalbot_) and find out more about Joy & Mess.

Visit the Early Start Discovery Space, and follow their joyful Instagram (@uowdiscoveryspace/)

Keep up to date with The Listies on their website and make sure you catch The Listies Work For Peanuts on ABC TV.

Hosting, editing and music by Tom Hogan.