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"I also was, I think, probably the only person in the group that didn't have a significant college education and degrees and did not have any of that. And so, truthfully, I was always acutely aware of that. But that's not to disparage Unitarian Universalism. It's just to kind of tell you where my mindset was. My time there as a practicing Unitarian Universalist was spiritually one of the best times of my life."