Kara and Scott discuss the shooting in Uvalde, Texas. Also, Snap Inc.’s stock spiral, and Paypal and Klarna layoffs. Then, they’re joined by Friend of Pivot Judd Apatow to discuss the state of comedy, harnessing creativity, and his new documentary, George Carlin’s American Dream.

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