Joe, one of judges who's been with Tech Trailblazers since the beginning, catches up with Chief Trailblazer Rose Ross to share his life story including his wide-reaching role at VMware. He elucidates what cloud will really be like and the opportunities it could bring for startups. He also describes the difference between invention and innovation, how he sees plenty enough 'frying pans', and how that's key for entrants and successful startups. There's also a cautionary tale of how diversity, equity, and inclusion are very different things, and that they need to be dealt with differently.