Former Top 5 player Julie Heldman rejoins Thirty Love host Carl Bialik to talk about what she learned while touring to promote her memoir "Driven: A Daughter's Odyssey," why she's glad she decided to include her struggle with mental illness in the book, how tennis has changed since she retired, and what it was like to narrate her story for the book's new audio edition.

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Music by Lee Rosevere: "Credit Roll" and "Glass Android."