I talk with Julie Phillips Brown (The Adjacent Possible, editor of House Mountain Review) about Mark Doty's elegy "The Embrace" (at this link, missing the word "you" before "warm brown tea"). We also mention scholar Peter Sacks's book The English Elegy, Jahan Ramazani's Poetry of Mourning, and Doty's poem "Brilliance," from his collection Sweet Machine (the poem is online in several places but incorrectly formatted). I also introduce Julie to Screamin' Jay Hawkins before ruining her life by introducing her to the book reviewing of William Logan.