Our host Elaine B. Holtz comments on the memorial service we attended of our friend Michael O'Brien, who practiced Tai Chi with us and who was a decorated Navy combat pilot flying reconnaissance over North Vietnam. The flag presentation ceremony was especially moving as we thought of the many pilots Michael knew and who did not return. Elaine interviewed Dr. Eleanor Pam, the first President of NOW and the present President of Veteran Feminists of America, who gave fascinating insights to the early days of the second wave of feminism from 1962 - 1985. The bio of the guest, description of the segments, this week in Herstory, Announcements and links referenced can be viewed on this show episode's web archive page at https://www.womensspaces.com/ArchiveWSA21/WSA210726.html