Chip and Jeff braved a chilly December Sunday morning run in a desolate meadow in New Jersey while chatting with a surprise special guest who might or might not have fallen in a creek during the outing. The following topics were discussed: gift giving, gift getting, Christmas songs, John Cougar Mellencamp, Stiff Little Fingers, Benny Goodman, Atari, CD long boxes, back injuries, Mac McCaughan, Ian Curtis, basement flooding, goths, goth runners, The Gift of The Magi, Hall & Oates, Todd Glass, and of course, old running shoes, plastic tubs with sealable tops.