The first of two podcasts this week features a return two years in the making.

Michael Oden returns to the podcast, and the theme of this podcast is growth. When last I interviewed Michael, he was working on this series. In the last two years, things have changed with him since our last chat. This conversation more than anything else is about embracing what you care about. Michael and I talk about writing about what we care about, from the Embrace, to Zorro, The Iliad, and much more. I enjoyed catching up with him. Have a listen, and support his comic.

Michael Oden

The Embrace

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