Jeffrey Rosen is the president and CEO of the National Constitution Center, a contributing writer for The Atlantic Magazine, a law professor at George Washington University, and the author of Conversations With RBG: Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg on Life, Love, Liberty, and Law.

I spoke with Rosen about what we can expect from Chief Justice John Roberts as he presides over the Senate impeachment trial, and also about his writing on the dangerous direction that American democracy is headed in, and how to possibly turn things around.

Rosen's 2018 Atlantic Piece: "Madison vs the Mob"

Rosen's 2019 Atlantic Piece: "How to Revive Madison's Constitution"

Outro music: "It Might Be Time" by Tame Impala

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