Justin Kagan is a Detroit Tigers fan, even though he grew up in the Bronx. Justin talks to Kai about starting the cello on his own terms, how he ended up living in Toluca, Mexico, and how a small coffee shop right across the hall during his time there opened his mind to the world of coffee. Justin and Kai discuss the many complex flavor profiles of coffee, the problem with the industry and predatory agriculture, and what brought him to Portland, Oregon.