On today's episode, host Jian DeLeon is speaking with Carl Pei, founder of one of today’s most exciting tech brands—NOTHING. Known for its stylish Ear(1) headphones that have gotten approval from fashion heads as well as audiophiles, NOTHING is about to release its next product, the hotly-anticipated Phone(1). Carl and I discuss how to build a brand where everything is designed together, the current state of consumer tech, and the parallels between building an engaged community around NOTHING and the current excitement around Web3.