Kara Swisher joins me to talk about her new podcast with the New York Times, Sway.

We also discuss her twenty year career on the tech beat, 500 episodes of Recode Decode, and discovering the big dog, Scott Galloway, for her podcast Pivot.

Along the way we talk about the importance of finding a mentor, doing what you love, Trump and Twitter, and answer the big question of the day, who is more destructive to democracy Rupert Murdoch or Mark Zuckerberg?

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