Karen Stefano, author of The Secret Games of Words, in conversation with Tobias Carroll, author of Reel (Rare Bird, 2016) and Transitory (Civil Coping Mechanisms, 2016). He lives and writes in Brooklyn, New York, where he is the managing editor of Vol.1 Brooklyn. His fiction and nonfiction have been published by Tin House, Midnight Breakfast, The Collagist, Necessary Fiction, Bookforum, and Joyland. He can be found on Twitter at @TobiasCarroll.