In this episode, Ben meets Karl who's Dad to two year old Orson.

Karl has always wanted to be a Dad, and in this conversation he talks about how he became a parent through surrogacy. Interestingly, Karl talks about how thorough the surrogacy process is and some of the questions he and his partner Nick had to answer - including how they would feel if there was a chance of their child being born with Down syndrome.

When during the pregnancy a chance of Down syndrome was raised, Karl talks about how it didn't faze him - he couldn't wait to be a Dad, and it really didn't matter to him. He talks about how Orson is constantly challenging other people's perception of Down syndrome and what people with Down syndrome can do, and how proud he is of his first son.

This podcast has been created for Down Syndrome UK - you can find out more about them and their work at downsyndromeuk.co.uk

You can also search for "Positive About Down Syndrome" on social media - and if you'd like to meet some other Dads, search for the private PADSDads groups on Facebook.

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