As a co-founder of Skulptur Projekte Münster and Director of Cologne’s Museum Ludwig, Kasper König has been a central figure in art since the 1960s. Jochen Volz is the new Head of Programmes at London’s Serpentine Gallery after eight years at Instituto Inhotim, Brazil. Here they discuss five decades of curating and how art has been transformed from a small world into a big industry.

Participants:Kasper König (Director, Museum Ludwig, Cologne)Jochen Volz (Head of Programmes, Serpentine Gallery and Contributing Editor, frieze, London)