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In a world of either-or thinking, where you’re expected to choose between hugging trees or hugging flags, Katherine Lacefield offers a refreshing alternative. The founder of Just Be Cause Consulting and host of the Just Be Cause Podcast joins us to dismantle the false binaries that plague environmental and animal rights movements. With candor and hard-won wisdom, she shares her journey from "crazy vegan" activism to a more nuanced understanding of how we create lasting change. Katherine reminds us that perfection isn’t the goal—connection is. Whether it’s a well-meaning mother buying the wrong cheese or an environmentalist grilling a steak, shaming people for imperfection only pushes potential allies away. The real work, she argues, lies in meeting people where they are and recognizing that caring about animals doesn’t mean you don’t care about people, and vice versa.
Katherine’s extensive experience in nonprofit fundraising and philanthropy reveals a sector struggling with siloed thinking and resource distribution problems masquerading as resource scarcity. She challenges the philanthropic status quo, questioning why massive endowments sit in perpetuity while urgent environmental crises demand action now. Her vision for the future involves wealth transfer that empowers nonprofits to focus on impact rather than endless grant applications, and a cultural shift away from ego-driven legacy projects toward collaborative, intersectional problem-solving. From her travels across continents to her work with organizations bridging human and animal welfare, Katherine has witnessed firsthand how interconnected our challenges truly are—and how collaboration, not competition, offers our best path forward.
This conversation tackles the uncomfortable truths about consumption, privilege, and the paralyzing fear of not doing enough. Katherine doesn’t offer easy answers because there aren’t any. Instead, she provides something more valuable: permission to be imperfect, encouragement to contribute according to your unique passions and bandwidth, and a framework for understanding that we don't have a resource problem—we have a distribution problem. In a time when despair and division seem to dominate the discourse, Katherine’s message is one of pragmatic hope rooted in gratitude, awareness, and the recognition that every authentic effort, no matter how small, matters.
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By Thomas SchuenemanIn a world of either-or thinking, where you’re expected to choose between hugging trees or hugging flags, Katherine Lacefield offers a refreshing alternative. The founder of Just Be Cause Consulting and host of the Just Be Cause Podcast joins us to dismantle the false binaries that plague environmental and animal rights movements. With candor and hard-won wisdom, she shares her journey from "crazy vegan" activism to a more nuanced understanding of how we create lasting change. Katherine reminds us that perfection isn’t the goal—connection is. Whether it’s a well-meaning mother buying the wrong cheese or an environmentalist grilling a steak, shaming people for imperfection only pushes potential allies away. The real work, she argues, lies in meeting people where they are and recognizing that caring about animals doesn’t mean you don’t care about people, and vice versa.
Katherine’s extensive experience in nonprofit fundraising and philanthropy reveals a sector struggling with siloed thinking and resource distribution problems masquerading as resource scarcity. She challenges the philanthropic status quo, questioning why massive endowments sit in perpetuity while urgent environmental crises demand action now. Her vision for the future involves wealth transfer that empowers nonprofits to focus on impact rather than endless grant applications, and a cultural shift away from ego-driven legacy projects toward collaborative, intersectional problem-solving. From her travels across continents to her work with organizations bridging human and animal welfare, Katherine has witnessed firsthand how interconnected our challenges truly are—and how collaboration, not competition, offers our best path forward.
This conversation tackles the uncomfortable truths about consumption, privilege, and the paralyzing fear of not doing enough. Katherine doesn’t offer easy answers because there aren’t any. Instead, she provides something more valuable: permission to be imperfect, encouragement to contribute according to your unique passions and bandwidth, and a framework for understanding that we don't have a resource problem—we have a distribution problem. In a time when despair and division seem to dominate the discourse, Katherine’s message is one of pragmatic hope rooted in gratitude, awareness, and the recognition that every authentic effort, no matter how small, matters.
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