Kathy Escobar co-pastors The Refuge, a Christian community and mission center in North Denver. Her passion is creating safe and brave spaces for transformation and healing in a variety of contexts. A speaker, spiritual director, group facilitator, and organizational consultant, she is author of several books including her most recent, Practicing: Changing Yourself to Change the World as well as founder of the non-profit #communityheals--Making Spaces for Transformation Accessible for All. More at kathyescobar.com. In this episode we talk about walking through grief and a global pandemic, evolving faith during hard times and the concept of Friday/Saturday/Sunday living as we approach the Easter holiday.