20 | The People in the Arena

In this podcast we are talking big ideas, actual and actionable takeaways, and lots of fun with the camp community and professionals!

On this episode, Jack Schott is joined by Kelly Schuna and they talk owning camps, the power of vulnerability and how to lead as someone who doesn’t have all the answers. They talk Brené Brown and how to rumble! Jack introduces something called “Wildcards”and asks what she’s thinking that’s a little off the walls and doesn’t fit yet in the “spinning circles”.

If you’re looking for a podcast that shares how to lead with empathy and shares in fun stories about making mistakes, this is the pod for you. 

PRODUCER EMJ’S TAKEAWAYS:

1. I wonder if Kelly is onto something about behavior arising when campers don’t have the autonomy and choice during their activities. 
2. Having hard conversations is also saying that you’re invested in that person and what’s the best for them. WHAT.
3. There’s authenticity and transparency in being a “talk-out-louder” so the people you’re with don’t have to do any guesswork. 
4. Bonus: I do love Brené Brown. Here is “The Man in the Arena/It’s Not the Critique That Counts” that Kelly mentions. 

SHOW NOTES:

• The Camp Owners Podcast
• Interlude Music That We Don’t Own the Rights To
• EmJ's Camper Clubs Blog

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