Kelly discusses the creative influences that shaped his first album using the Till The Dirt moniker titled "Outside The Spiral." We delve into the 1990s, where we explore his close relationship with Roger Patterson (November 29, 1968 – February 12, 1991), the bassist for Athiest, as well as his successor Tony Choy. This is followed by a dynamic conversation covering various subjects tied to the realm of social and political landscapes.