• This is the second half of an interview Kemp Brinson conducted with Pip Penney; you can find the first half of the interview in episode 28.
• Kemp and I discuss our shared progress in Ringing Room and how our moms' interests led to our (eventual) ringing. (Happy Mother's Day!)
• Then Pip and Kemp discuss the origin of ART certification, ways to better encourage younger ringers, and thoughts on the future of ringing.
• Finally, Pip and I share some more thoughts on young ringers, and we get the full story of how Pip came to ringing as an adult.

Episode 31 will feature Mark Davies, author of Methodoku Mayhem. If you have not tried solving methodoku yet, you can find a brief introduction and some to try here.

Thank you, friends.