Kirli Saunders is many things: she's a multi-award winning artist, she's walked the runways of Australian Afterpay Fashion Week and she's a celebrated educator that has taught children in classrooms around New South Wales. But first and foremost, she's a proud Gunai woman - and a storyteller. 

On today's episode of Under the Gloss, Phoebe and Kirli are talking about how she learned to connect with her country, why matriarchy is so important for First Nations families and why being Blak in the current political climate is more exhausting than ever. 

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